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· Naughties
· · 2006
· · · February
· · · · 22 (2 entries)

What Dave Said · I’d just like to high­light Dave Winer’s re­marks to­day on the RSS 2.0 roadmap. No­body can say Dave hasn’t been 100% crystal-clear about this. Those of us who thought there was ba­sic, im­por­tant work that still need­ed do­ing in the area of syn­di­ca­tion for­mats had three choic­es; RDF-wrangling in the RSS 1.0 con­tex­t, namespace-wrangling in the RSS 2.0 con­tex­t, and putting a new name on it; to use Dave’s word­s, “make a new for­mat as an evolution”. Thus, Atom. We don’t have to agree about ev­ery­thing, but if the In­ter­net de­pends on any­thing, it de­pends on stan­dards that are sta­ble, and the frame­work of trust around that sta­bil­i­ty.
 
WS-Angst · There’s been an in­ter­est­ing flur­ry of high-level WS-discussion, launched by Don Box in Prag­mat­ics (it’s short, go read it, the long string of com­ments doesn’t add much). The dis­cus­sion sloshed around the bl­o­go­sphere; I’ll pick some high­light­s. Ste­fan Tilkov says Mu: “I do be­lieve that on a very high lev­el, the de­bate is ut­ter­ly irrelevant.” I don’t. I just don’t be­lieve that there’s a lev­el high enough that large-scale ba­sic in­fras­truc­ture bets don’t mat­ter. Chris Fer­ris of­fers con­ven­tion­al wis­dom: WS-* is just fine, tak­ing a lit­tle longer than we’d hope­d, but you’re re­al­ly gonna need this stuff. Pa­trick Lo­gan push­es back: “I was shocked how lit­tle in­ter­op­er­abil­i­ty, not to men­tion func­tion­al­i­ty, has been ac­com­plished in the WSDL and SOAP world over the last sev­er­al years ... we de­cid­ed to run a dif­fer­ent ex­per­i­men­t... ad­dress the same busi­ness prob­lem but with just HTTP. Very soon we were spend­ing all our time talk­ing about busi­ness func­tion­al­i­ty and mes­sages rather than in­fras­truc­ture headaches.” Oo­h. Dare Obasan­jo weighs in twice: More on Prag­ma­tism and Web Ser­vices, and es­pe­cial­ly Why WS-* in­terop sucks. I’ll leave the last word to Rob Sayre in No, It’s Over, I Real­ly Mean It: “If you have Mi­crosoft say­ing ‘well, the best ap­proach is to make this elab­o­rate in­fras­truc­ture we’ve spent bil­lions of dol­lars build­ing out optional’, then the de­bate is over.” Me, I think the WS-stench of some­thing WS-rotting from the WS-head down is be­com­ing in­creas­ing­ly dif­fi­cult to ig­nore.
 
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