I introduced this family project in the spring of 2024. I won’t reproduce those arguments for why we’re working on this, but in the current climate I feel like I hardly need to. Since that post, our aversion to Google dependency has only grown stronger. Progress has been non-zero but not fast.
Here’s the table, with progress notes below.
| Need | Supplier | Alternatives |
|---|---|---|
| Office | Google Workspace | Proton? |
| Data sharing | Dropbox | |
| Photos | Google Photos | Dropbox? |
| Video meetings | Google Meet | Jitsi, Signal? |
| Maps | Google Maps | Magic Earth, Here, something OSM-based? |
| Browser | Safari, Firefox, Vivaldi, LibreWolf | |
| Search | Bing-based options, Kagi? | |
| Chat | Signal | |
| Photo editing | Adobe Lightroom & Nik | Capture One, Darktable, ? |
| In-car interface | Google Android Auto | Automaker software |
| Play my music | Plex, USB | |
| Discover music | Qobuz | |
| TV | Roku, Apple, migration |
Pink indicates a strong desire to get off the incumbent service, green means we’re happy-ish with what we’re using, and blue means that, happy or not, it’s not near the top of the priority list.
I’ll reproduce the metrics we care about when looking to replace Google products, some combination of:
Not ad-supported
Not VC-funded
Not Google, Microsoft, or Amazon
The list used to include “Open Source” but I decided that while that’s good, it’s less important than the other three criteria.
Now let’s walk down the chart.
Office · This is going to be a wrenching transition; we’ve been running the family on Google stuff forever, and I anticipate muscle-memory pain. But increasingly, using Google apps feels like being in enemy territory. And, as I said last time, I will not be sorry to shake the dust of Google Drive and Docs from my heels, I find them clumsy and am always having trouble finding something that I know is in there.
While I haven’t dug in seriously yet, I keep hearing reasonably-positive things about Proton, and nothing substantive to scare me away. Wish us luck.
Data sharing (progress!) · Dropbox is, eh, OK. It doesn’t seem actively evil, there’s no advertising, and the price is low.
Photos · We’re a four-Android family including a couple of prolific photographers, and everything just gets pumped into Google and then it fills up and then they want more money. If we could configure the phones to skip Google and go straight to Dropbox, that would be a step forward.
Video meetings · Google meet isn’t painful but I totally suspect it of data-mining what should be private conversations. I’m getting the feeling that the technical difficulty of videoconferencing is going steadily down, so I’m reasonably optimistic that something a little less evil will come along with a fair price.
Maps · The fear and loathing that I started feeling in 2017 grows only stronger. But replacements aren’t obvious. It’s a pity, maps and directions and reviews feel like a natural monopoly that should be a public utility or something, rather than a corporate moat.
Browser (progress!) · Chrome has seriously started making my flesh crawl; once again, enemy territory. Fortunately, there are lots of good options. Even people like us who have multiple lives we need to keep separate can find enough better browsers out there.
Maybe I’ll have a look at one of the new genAI-company browsers ha ha just kidding.
Search · The reports on Kagi keep being positive and giving it a try is definitely on the To-Do list.
Chat · Signal is the only sane choice at this point in history for personal use.
Photo editing · Adobe’s products are good, and I’m proficient and happy with Lightroom, but they are definitely suffering from bad genAI craziness. Also the price is becoming unreasonable.
I’ve had a few Lightroom software failures in recent months and if that becomes a trend, looking seriously at the alternatives will move to the top of the priority list.
In-car interface · It’s tough, Android Auto is a truly great product. I think I’m stuck here for now, particularly given that I plan to be driving a 2019-model-year car for the foreseeable future. Also, it supports my music apps.
Discover music and play mine (progress!) · Progress here. I’ve almost completely stopped using YouTube Music in favor of Plex and Qobuz. Really no downside; YTM has more or less completely lost the ability to suggest good new stuff.
TV · Video continues morphing itself into Cable TV redux. We have an old Roku box that works fine and I think I’ve managed to find its don’t-spy-on-us settings. We’ll keep subscribing to Apple+ as long as they keep shipping great shows. I have zero regrets about having left Prime behind.
As for the rest, we’ve become migrants, exclusively month-at-a-time subscriptions for the purpose of watching some serial or sports league, unsubscribe after the season finale or championship game. The good news is that I haven’t encountered much friction in unsubscribing, just a certain amount of earnest pleading.
Looking forward · I have yet to confront any of the really hard parts of this project, but the sense of urgency is increasing. Let’s see.
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From: Niall Kennedy (Jul 29 2025, at 13:23)
Proton Drive recently improved its photo backup viewer and published a roadmap. Could have some good crossover with your "Office" need.
https://proton.me/drive/photo-storage
https://proton.me/blog/drive-roadmap-summer-2025
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From: Scott Laird (Jul 29 2025, at 13:26)
I've heard good things about https://immich.app/ for photos, but haven't tried it myself yet. Open Source, self-hosted (or paid hosting), with optional AI search, which is pretty much the only useful way to do content search on images.
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From: Nelson (Jul 29 2025, at 13:59)
I came here also to recommend Immich as an alternative to Google Photos. it's very good, a solid full product that is quite usable. You can host it yourself or for a few bucks a month at a hoster like PikaPods.
The UI is mostly a direct clone of Google Photos, and that's a good thing IMHO. It still has a bit of a beta feel, there's dire warnings not to trust it with your only copy of your photos. And I think the path to getting photos into it from your phone camera won't be as low friction as Google Photos. But people are using it that way.
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From: RawBob (Jul 29 2025, at 14:01)
I self-host immich on a beelink mini-pc, with nightly cron backups to USB drives.
It's got lots of great features:
https://github.com/immich-app/immich?tab=readme-ov-file#features
Has a nice Android client, too.
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From: Nathan (Jul 29 2025, at 14:46)
The Brave browser, while based on open-source Chromium bits, is its own thing. It's actually pretty good, and also has its own search which can be used independently (search.brave.com) and is reasonably cromulent.
However, the real reason I'm writing this comment is because, as a longtime Dropbox user, I have switched almost entirely to syncthing. It is free and open-source and self-hosted; they provide (gratis) some NAT-traversal and discovery glue. It doesn't have all the things that Dropbox has (such as the web interface or having your files stored off-prem), but it doesn't constantly spam me with dire warnings about how if I don't start paying them money my files might disappear and it doesn't care about how much space I'm using because, well, it's my space anyway.
I don't know if it will scratch your itch, but it scratches mine. There's also Nextcloud, which I have used and which is a bit too high-touch for my liking but might be worth investigating for 5 - 10 minutes of your time.
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From: Rob (Jul 29 2025, at 14:52)
Google maps remains absolutely wonderful if you are taking public transit. Its amazing how the ads drop away (presumably public systems users are too poor to shop, which in this car-centric city a pretty safe assumption), and bus & train times (including BOTH delays and early arrivals) are real-time tracked to the minute.
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From: Jerlendds (Jul 29 2025, at 15:47)
For Google maps theres CoMaps (https://www.comaps.app/)
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From: Ed Sadowski (Jul 29 2025, at 15:50)
ente.io looks promising for photo hosting/backup
https://ente.io/
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From: Luke Hansford (Jul 29 2025, at 17:37)
I'll add on to the Immich recommendations. The Android app works well and replaces the photos backup functionality of Google Photos pretty seamlessly.
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From: Pedro Melo (Jul 30 2025, at 01:48)
Regarding search, switched to Kagi a couple of months ago, and I’m an extremely happy user. Recommended.
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From: Tony (Jul 30 2025, at 05:05)
I notice you don't include duckduckgo in your search engine options. Just tired, or am I the last frog in the pot?
(I figure blogspot's fine: I think Google have forgotten it exists!)
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From: Ulf (Jul 30 2025, at 07:42)
https://organicmaps.app is a really nice app for showing OpenStreetMap maps. It's become my go-to maps app whenever Google Maps' reviews are not relevant. It has downloadable maps, and a navigation system (which, at least where I live, includes public transport).
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From: PJ (Jul 30 2025, at 07:50)
For TV, you could go old-school 'over the air' by hooking up something like a HDHomeRun to Plex, thus giving you tivo-like capabilities.
For office, I presume you've looked at things like NextCloud or Sandstorm(now .org).
https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted is a newish guide that might point out some less-well-known apps.
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From: Ed Schechter (Aug 02 2025, at 20:18)
Might want to take a look at Zoho lineup. They are an interesting parallel universe to the Google offerings.
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From: Robert Sayre (Aug 05 2025, at 15:01)
There is a whole SubReddit about this topic: r/degoogle.
The OpenStreetMap ones are ok, but kind of janky. I know someone that likes CityMapper for public transit (she doesn't drive), but it shares data.
I've used OsmAnd, because that works in China. That seems to be its entire purpose. You select a square and download the map in advance. But it is not a good UI.
Something back by HERE or MapQuest might work.
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From: Devon (Aug 10 2025, at 18:42)
For office apps, try https://cryptpad.fr. Or give Nextcloud a go for a combination of file storage, file sharing, office apps, and more.
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From: J. King (Aug 13 2025, at 19:43)
I've been using Syncthing to move files around forever. It's not the best for ad hoc sharing of data, but for a coordinated group it's no-fuss, free, and private.
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From: Phil John (Aug 17 2025, at 14:54)
If you're not against self hosting, Immich is becoming a viable alternative to Google Photos. The app is well done, and plays nice on iOS and Android.
I have it running on several nodes (to speed up ML tasks) in my homelab, with the data storage on a RaidZ2 array, and daily offsite backups to JottaCloud - a cloud provider based in Norway that are as actively not evil as possible.
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From: dinyar (Aug 29 2025, at 03:30)
If you'd like to try immich, but hosted by others there's pixelunion.eu. I have opened a free tier account with them today and it looks promising. Our use case is sharing with family and friends and it let's you create an arbitrary number of user accounts within one instance as far as I can see. Remains to be seen how many people from my circles I can convince to switch.
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From: J C (Sep 18 2025, at 19:07)
Isn't company societal value also important? I see Dropbox and I can only think of https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/2iw30y/dropbox_guys_kick_kids_of_soccer_field/
I've been happy with pcloud's lifetime pack for about a decade now, fwiw.
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